SMSP - Cameras now allowed!

[Mr.Ed]

"Cameras are allowed to be used at Sydney Motorsport Park Ride Days. There are certain rules and regulations relating to the use of cameras. They are as follows...

Filming Policies:
1.All camera mountings must securely mounted and be manufacturer specification. No duct tape, bungee cords or other temporary mounts.
2.All cameras must be mounted so as to not create a hazard to the rider or other riders in the event of a crash or collision.
3.Cameras can be mounted on motorcycles only. No cameras attached to helmets and / or any other parts of the riders body.
4.All cameras and mounts must be scrutineered with the motorcycle on the morning of the event, or before being used in the riders first session.
5.There are to be no cables or other attachments between the motorcycle and rider.
6.Any footage released publicly that is deemed inappropriate to be viewed (such as crashes and / or situations resulting in serious injuries to participants) and / or footage that is considered damaging to the venue, promoter or industry, could result in the banning of the rider from future Sydney Motorsport Park Ride Days or California Superbike School events."

[chubb]

lol and no reasoning to tell you why...

[Nelso]

lol and no reasoning to tell you why...

Which do you mean? Why allow them, or why the rules?

[Mr.Ed]

Does it even matter, really?

I have to say though... I didn't expect them to go all out like that. If it was me running the show I would have made it so that only riders that have completed more than say 5(?) track days would be allowed... This way you trim off the one goers that will be there pushing way beyond their limit just 'cause they have a camera on their bikes, give something back to the 'loyal' customer and it would also work as an incentive to those who are new to keep coming back.

[Leezx10r]

So can we also run lap timers?

[Ruckos87]

So can we also run lap timers?

Good question obviously timing off the footage is recoverable so why not???
I hope so I'll get a proper timer instead of hiding my Qstarz in my suits hump ...

[Mr.Ed]

No lap timers

[Marshy]

Great!! Cameras are cool :cool:

[CBR42]

Wonder if Stay Upright will allow them too?Seems a strange decision for mega considering they are out in a few months?
Not complaining though.

[Ruckos87]

I suppose the process with insurers ect would have stated a while back, and they still have CSS so no point not implementing it. Can't hurt to soften the publics perception, also paves the way for P.I ???

[Phat3R]

Didn't they only allow cameras on the body not bike at the last St George meat?

[Marshy]

Didn't they only allow cameras on the body not bike at the last St George meat?

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

[Phat3R]

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

Nick - you orgianiz'in sensible shit again with/for MA - when you gonna run for a spot on the board? ;-) How did the Michael Schumacher clauze get in there in the first place - their insurers seem like some farked up dudes ???

[Phat3R]

I hope so I'll get a proper timer instead of hiding my Qstarz in my suits hump ...

Shhhh ... Nelso will be donning the rubber gloves for cavity searches of people'z humpz! ;)

[WETTY]

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

they are allowed at the BSFOS . even says so in the supp regs , fuk nose why they are allowed now or why they were not at st George

[stevem]

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

[WETTY]

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

calm down bagger , there seems to be some hostility i am feeling

[stevem]

Sorry

[Nelso]

Shhhh ... Nelso will be donning the rubber gloves for cavity searches of people'z humpz! ;)

Only if you say please. You did mean rump, not hump, didn't you?:whip:

To be fair, there's not many people's timers I have had to do anything about. If it's not obvious, they usually slip through unnoticed.;)

For the record, the 'no lap timers at ride days' is an ARDC rule for MEGA to comply with, so I doubt there will be a change with that one, but the 'no cameras' was always a MEGA imposed rule and was simply there to align Sydney with Philip Island's rules of 'no cameras', which are imposed by the owners of PI.

[Ruckos87]

I feel like I should be standing in the corner at school [emoji12]
Cheers all

[Mr.Ed]

but the 'no cameras' was always a MEGA imposed rule and was simply there to align Sydney with Philip Island's rules of 'no cameras', which are imposed by the owners of PI.

If that's the case, they REAAALLY deserved it... That's got to be one of the most ridiculous business ideas ever. "Oh... I know, PI doesn't let us run cameras, which every customer really wants. Let's do the same to Eastern Creek!!!"

[Linden]

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

That would be me ....

After I was the one that had the "No Camera Rule" implemented and imposed on me in scrutineering! <gob smacked>

I was hoping that I could get sanity to prevail but ....

As to the Steward following the rules ... there is NO RULE about cameras on bikes - Just on Helmets <stupid>

[Marshy]

For future reference, Linden, whenever an over-zealous scrutineer imposes their own rules, the usual response is "yes, Sir" and then sort it out yourself later on.

[Bigjim]

Speaking of camera's, any recommendations? Thinking GoPro would be the way to go but not sure of which model?

[Saturnalian]

That would be me ....

After I was the one that had the "No Camera Rule" implemented and imposed on me in scrutineering! <gob smacked>

I was hoping that I could get sanity to prevail but ....

As to the Steward following the rules ... there is NO RULE about cameras on bikes - Just on Helmets <stupid>

It was kind of both of us Linden... After you mentioned your result in scrutineering i told Terry that my bike had been scrutineered with Camera's on and "Cam OK" had been written on my scrutineering sticker.
He then went back to the Steward for clarification who said no camera's. So, actually, fuck it, yeah it is your fault..... :rant:

The dumb part of the rulebook thing is that if its not in there, it is to be assumed that it is not allowed.

[Linden]

For future reference, Linden, whenever an over-zealous scrutineer imposes their own rules, the usual response is "yes, Sir" and then sort it out yourself later on.

Figured it was just too stupid and would be approved without any real issue


It was kind of both of us Linden... After you mentioned your result in scrutineering i told Terry that my bike had been scrutineered with Camera's on and "Cam OK" had been written on my scrutineering sticker.
He then went back to the Steward for clarification who said no camera's. So, actually, fuck it, yeah it is your fault..... :rant:

The dumb part of the rulebook thing is that if its not in there, it is to be assumed that it is not allowed.

I didn't know the Steward at this round suspect it was her first and the easiest answer is NO

I'm still stuffed as to why after passing X no of bikes with cameras they (the scrutineers - and it was weird how it happened) suddenly decided to say no cameras

Just wondering when unnecessary thing like Axle sliders (been hit by one of them) Knee Sliders (been hit by one of them) FootPegs (NEARLY been hit by one of them - off a Laverda .5KG of Steel ) will be banned

[Nelso]

Just wondering when unnecessary thing like Knee Sliders will be banned

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.:tongue:

[Mr.Ed]

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.:tongue:

Not sure about knee sliders but those unnecessary footpegs do make a difference for me

[Linden]

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.:tongue:


Not sure about knee sliders but those unnecessary footpegs do make a difference for me

Tongue firmly in cheek ... the reason we are out there racing is for sheep stations NO NO personal enjoyment and some of that comes from photos and video etc to review later ... banning cameras is not going to work well for St George UNLESS it all racing ie for some (not me cos shots of all the people riding away is a bit boring) the cameras are ONE of the reasons they are there

[WETTY]

Tongue firmly in cheek ... the reason we are out there racing is for sheep stations NO NO personal enjoyment and some of that comes from photos and video etc to review later ... banning cameras is not going to work well for St George UNLESS it all racing ie for some (not me cos shots of all the people riding away is a bit boring) the cameras are ONE of the reasons they are there

110% agree ,

and you need to get further up the front linden then you wont get hit by the kitchen sink , fark that made me giggle ,

[WETTY]

still chukkling away

[stevem]

Speaking of camera's, any recommendations? Thinking GoPro would be the way to go but not sure of which model? Big Jim , Sorry mate better late than never, Any of the Go Pros are good . Button 699 got a $179 internal battery basic one that takes a good picture, but the more you pay the better the picture gets.

[Ruckos87]

Where / how do u guys generally mount the camera for filming forwards? Rear view is pretty simply fronts got a few options.

[Bigjim]

Thanks Stevem! A guy at work who does a lot bike stuff recommended the GoPro Hero4. There's a good shop over at Lindfield called Camzilla that specialises in mounts etc. so I might go and check it out.

Cheers, Andrew

[Marshy]

Where / how do u guys generally mount the camera for filming forwards? Rear view is pretty simply fronts got a few options.

One bike I have the gopro mounted on the front of the fairing, on one side. It's a great view forwards, but it looks totally shit in photos of the bike from trackside!! The other bike it's mounted on the top triple, looking through the screen. The big advantage is you can see the dash/tacho etc, so you can analyse your riding better. The downside is that the view through the screen is restricted. I'm gonna try and copy SteveM's setup, which is on the front of the tank, but moved a long way low and forwards with extensions. When I've previously tried mounting onto the tank, I always bump it when I tuck under the screen.

[WETTY]

you fibber nick , never seen you under the screen

[Ruckos87]

One bike I have the gopro mounted on the front of the fairing, on one side. It's a great view forwards, but it looks totally shit in photos of the bike from trackside!! The other bike it's mounted on the top triple, looking through the screen. The big advantage is you can see the dash/tacho etc, so you can analyse your riding better. The downside is that the view through the screen is restricted. I'm gonna try and copy SteveM's setup, which is on the front of the tank, but moved a long way low and forwards with extensions. When I've previously tried mounting onto the tank, I always bump it when I tuck under the screen.
Cheers, Yep that's the problem I see, I'll have a poke around Tuesday see what other have set up.

[Marshy]

you fibber nick , never seen you under the screen

It's cos I'm too fat!! My tummy and the tank get in each other's way. I try, but.

[stevem]

Cheers, Yep that's the problem I see, I'll have a poke around Tuesday see what other have set up. I should be in garage 19onTuesday if you want to look at mine , bike 747. There is a couple of vids up on here of mine if you want to see the view.

[Ruckos87]

I should be in garage 19onTuesday if you want to look at mine , bike 747. There is a couple of vids up on here of mine if you want to see the view.

Awesome I'll pop in

[Marshy]

I'm gonna garage with Steve in 19, instead of the usual TT spot.

[Nelso]

Just a heads up; have your camera fitted for scrurineering so that they can be checked, so that you get a sticker that says you have a camera; otherwise you won't be allowed on track with it fitted to the bike.

[Turtle]

I sure can't wait to watch back footage and realise how slow I am.

[Marshy]

I sure can't wait to watch back footage and realise how slow I am.

:rofl: :thumb:

[Ruckos87]

My footage might be interesting http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/17/1c2b6f3b44e93cb9ec0bc3280cfa349e.jpg I caught a high side coming out of turn 6 yesterday [emoji35]


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[Marshy]

Bugger!!! That's no good mate :( You ok?

[Leezx10r]

Get well soon mate.

If it makes you feel any better I low sided in t5 on Monday.

[Turbo]

My footage might be interesting http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/17/1c2b6f3b44e93cb9ec0bc3280cfa349e.jpg I caught a high side coming out of turn 6 yesterday [emoji35]



Noooooo!! What happened mate?
That's the worst kind of footage... or is it kneeage?

[Ruckos87]

Bugger!!! That's no good mate :( You ok?

Yep back in now, need a ct scan though. Apart from that nothing else injured.
Except my pride and my ears from the mrs ear bashing


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[Turbo]

Get well soon mate.

If it makes you feel any better I low sided in t5 on Monday.

Damn man! You ok?
Bike need another touch up??

[Leezx10r]

Damn man! You ok?
Bike need another touch up??

Yeh all good, got back out and had a play, more than a little off the pace after that, but wanted to make sure bike was good for next weekend.
Think it's getting wrapped this time Owen, feel bad keep going back to the painter hehe

[Leezx10r]

Except my pride and my ears from the mrs ear bashing

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I get that! I just keep my ear plugs in for a while, and move to the shed to work on the bike ;)

[Ruckos87]

Noooooo!! What happened mate?
That's the worst kind of footage... or is it kneeage?

Elbow. Actually I was supprised how bad it was, I drove to the hospital.
To much gas lost the back end, and must have cut the throttle. I'll have a look at the footage in a couple of days


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[Turbo]

Yeh all good, got back out and had a play, more than a little off the pace after that, but wanted to make sure bike was good for next weekend.
Think it's getting wrapped this time Owen, feel bad keep going back to the painter hehe

Ah, good to hear!! Wrap is a good idea.. Who is doing that for ya?


Elbow. Actually I was supprised how bad it was, I drove to the hospital.
To much gas lost the back end, and must have cut the throttle. I'll have a look at the footage in a couple of days

Elbowage! Yikes. Thats crazy you drove?!
Was it a high side then? Yeah, post the footage when you get it :thumb:

[Leezx10r]

Ah, good to hear!! Wrap is a good idea.. Who is doing that for you
:

Your talking to him ;)

[Button699]

Your talking to him ;)

Satin black!!!! That's what colour u need it.. I don't even wash my bike.. Just keep spraying black straight over the top... Lol.. Also lee after a fall ur supposed to go back out and go even faster!!! Came up predi good but.. I'd b cheering bout that!!

[Leezx10r]

Satin black!!!! That's what colour u need it.. I don't even wash my bike.. Just keep spraying black straight over the top... Lol.. Also lee after a fall ur supposed to go back out and go even faster!!! Came up predi good but.. I'd b cheering bout that!!

Got 3m black satin wrap in the shed, might have a play.
Yep was lucky with bike and myself.
Thanks again on the bar, will bring you a replacement next weekend ;)

[stevem]

Your going better than me Lee. My engine let go yesterday so I'm out for FX.

[Button699]

Happy to help mate! Just bring that one I gave u back after u get urself a replacement!

[Saturnalian]

Got 3m black satin wrap in the shed, might have a play.
Yep was lucky with bike and myself.
Thanks again on the bar, will bring you a replacement next weekend ;)

Quick one re wrapping Lee. Stay with the good shit. Having wrapped my second set of fairings now the difference between a good vinyl wrap and a notso good (read cheap) are light years apart.
The 3m is so much more workable, washable and durable than any of the cheaper ones i've used.

And don't be tempted to use a blade except to cut the vinyl off the roll. The knifeless tape is the shiz once you get the hang of it.Really easy to get a good butt seam by using 2 strips of knifeless tape on each join.

[Leezx10r]

Your going better than me Lee. My engine let go yesterday so I'm out for FX.

Gets fucked, really Steve! That's no good at all.
Hope it's as miner as can be mate. If you need a hand, just ask mate.


Quick one re wrapping Lee. Stay with the good shit. Having wrapped my second set of fairings now the difference between a good vinyl wrap and a notso good (read cheap) are light years apart.
The 3m is so much more workable, washable and durable than any of the cheaper ones i've used.

And don't be tempted to use a blade except to cut the vinyl off the roll. The knifeless tape is the shiz once you get the hang of it.Really easy to get a good butt seam by using 2 strips of knifeless tape on each join.

Yep 3m all the way. A few people have said to stay away from the cheap shit.

Seen the knife less tape, never tried it, but if you say it's good, I will give it a go.

Thanks for the inside tips ;)

[chubb]

Your going better than me Lee. My engine let go yesterday so I'm out for FX.

cant pump 300hp and expect it to last...
did you pull it all apart yet????

[stevem]

cant pump 300hp and expect it to last...
did you pull it all apart yet????

Yeah , good thanks brother

[Turbo]

Your going better than me Lee. My engine let go yesterday so I'm out for FX.

Noooo!! This sucks man...
What's the plan for re-build or has it got to replace?

[Turbo]

Your talking to him ;)

Nice! Can you do a 'How To' after you've learned from all the mistakes? :tongue: :wink:

[stevem]

It's a replacement Owen, a couple of decent holes in the cases. All good.

[Turbo]

It's a replacement Owen, a couple of decent holes in the cases. All good.

I could do with a replacement Owen! Hahaha...
So will it just be new cases or is there more that'll need to be swapped out?

[KANGA]

Your going better than me Lee. My engine let go yesterday so I'm out for FX.

Shit not good to hear! Did you at least get a decent go on the new suspension before it let go?

[Leezx10r]

Nice! Can you do a 'How To' after you've learned from all the mistakes? :tongue: :wink:

Think I can do that for you all :)

[Ruckos87]

Ah, good to hear!! Wrap is a good idea.. Who is doing that for ya?



Elbowage! Yikes. Thats crazy you drove?!
Was it a high side then? Yeah, post the footage when you get it :thumb:

Just as screen shot video, but tell me what you guys think.
I think I got on the gas a bit early lost the back and over corrected ???? I pretty sure I diddent chop the throttle but not 100% sure it happened pretty quick
I over took a guy on the back straight prior so entered the corner a little narrower than my usual line. Not sure weather that was part of the issue?
https://vimeo.com/122824429

Be nice im just a track learner[emoji3]


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[chubb]

Looks like you got on the gas too much too soon on the small part of the tyre and chopped it else it would have low sided

[Marshy]

Just as screen shot video, but tell me what you guys think.
I think I got on the gas a bit early lost the back and over corrected ???? I pretty sure I diddent chop the throttle but not 100% sure it happened pretty quick
I over took a guy on the back straight prior so entered the corner a little narrower than my usual line. Not sure weather that was part of the issue?
https://vimeo.com/122824429

Be nice im just a track learner[emoji3]


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What tyres were you running, Luke? It looks like just a bit too much gas on a not-so-grippy tyre. It's not 'oh clearly that was wrong', so probably just one of those things. Assuming the tyre was good....

[Ruckos87]

Looks like you got on the gas too much too soon on the small part of the tyre and chopped it else it would have low sided

Hmm I must have chopped it, that's one thing I thought id taught myself not to do[emoji35] definitely on the gas to early
Edit lol


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[Ruckos87]

What tyres were you running, Luke? It looks like just a bit too much gas on a not-so-grippy tyre. It's not 'oh clearly that was wrong', so probably just one of those things. Assuming the tyre was good....

Tyers are Metzeler slicks only 5 sessions (south circut) old. Heaps left in them.
I'll put it down to a little inexperience., over eager on the gas, need to stand the bike up quicker. Live and learning guess.



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[Phat3R]

definitely on the gay to early

That'll do it every time ... ;)

[Ruckos87]

That'll do it every time ... ;)

Lol texting with my left hand...


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[Turbo]

Just as screen shot video, but tell me what you guys think.
I think I got on the gas a bit early lost the back and over corrected ???? I pretty sure I diddent chop the throttle but not 100% sure it happened pretty quick
I over took a guy on the back straight prior so entered the corner a little narrower than my usual line. Not sure weather that was part of the issue?
https://vimeo.com/122824429

Be nice im just a track learner[emoji3]


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Do you have the video with audio?
That might help to hear what the revs were doing...
It does look like your right arm comes up after it begins to let go tho.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself about chopping the throttle tho, it's a survival reaction after all!

[Ruckos87]

Do you have the video with audio?

Will do once I'm back at work home pc is shithouse.



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[Dunno]

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I'd revive an old one.

What's the deal with camera mounts?

I've heard conflicting versions & the SU site is shit to navigate for clarification.

Will it pass if you mount a GoPro or similar externally (front number plate) and, can you use a suction cup mount?

Cheers

[Carl-52]

No suction cup mounts. has to be an adhesive or clamping mount and it has to be secondary tethered to some thing decent... (zip ties work as a teather to a hole in something)

[Carl-52]

if you do both of those you will be fine... It has to be mounted before scrutineering so they can see its mounted properly.

[Dunno]

Thanks for the info Carl.

I'm off to buy more adhesive mounts.