Grading for this years racing :)

[Stu23]

ok everyone time to fess up..... who got re-graded, what did you get from MNSW this year 😊 Im assuming I'm staying in B grade...

Stu

[JC]

Haven't got anything mate so I am still C grade.

[DisPlaCeD]

No letter... D Grade... ;)

[Marshy]

Did anyone get a letter?? I haven't heard of any gradings being done, and last year St George had a big 're-graded list' on the website prior to the first round, so that everyone could check their new grading prior to entering round 1....

[Marshy]

I was kinda secretly hoping they'd send me an A grade letter :peace:

[Stu23]

was hoping i might go back to C grade hahaha hmmm I think i might call them or email them....... Jan will kill us if we get it wrong eek

[senator8]

I rang last week and they said grading was complete.
They only came back last week and apparently had 200+ license renewals in the mail or something. So maybe the grading letters are still coming.

[Stu23]

They are leaving it late, but thats good information :) , hope they get the changes out in time for the 1st meeting or the gradings for the year are going to be stuffed

[chubb]

I got graded up to C

[Stu23]

might drop them an email or call them just to make sure i havnt gone back to C ;)

[chubb]

It's all done and dusted. Just email or call them

[Marshy]

might drop them an email or call them just to make sure i havnt gone back to C ;)

Yeah rite!!

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[Stu23]

you never know ;)

lap times will be a bit slower if i have to peddle.... still no engine

[Marshy]

Can't wait to see that!! ;)
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[Rusty]

Just rang them and Grading Certificates are getting sent out today.

Make sure they have your current postal address.

[Rusty]

I'm still B grade.

[Marshy]

I'm still B grade.

Seems appropriate. You had it all over me in a couple of races in Nov :thumb: On a slower, older bike!

[Rusty]

Seems appropriate. You had it all over me in a couple of races in Nov :thumb: On a slower, older bike!

Haha, I'm sure you were just foxing Marshy.

[Stu23]

i need someone to help me peddle !! shorties need not apply i need longer legs for more speed !!!

[Marshy]

i need someone to help me peddle !! shorties need not apply i need longer legs for more speed !!!

Calling Carl-52!!! He's purpose-built to pedal for you, Stu!!

[Stu23]

hahaha think they will allow it...... hes got his MA licence

[Carl-52]

build be a set of foot plates so i can put my feet up down the straight and engage the tow hook...

[JC]

Bumped to B grade this year. WTF??
Say goodbye to to any chance of finishing in the top 50 this year

[Negrogrande]

Bumped to B grade this year. WTF??
Say goodbye to to any chance of finishing in the top 50 this year

you are super fast JC, you will do alright. also they grids fro clubsport unlimited weren't that big at least at the last round
http://racing.natsoft.com.au/637019893/object_30889744.88z/Result?17

reminds me that I need to renew my MA license

[BoB]

mailbox had a large envelope from mnsw .Opened it to discover a nice grading certificate with...

D on it ...:cheer::thumb::clap:;):happy::whistle:

[chubb]

I think they made a mistake... :whistle:

[Marshy]

mailbox had a large envelope from mnsw .Opened it to discover a nice grading certificate with...

D on it ...:cheer::thumb::clap:;):happy::whistle:

http://www.circleskyrecords.com/Local/Whatthe%20Album%20Cover.jpg

[Marty]

I was told I would be in D also, will check the letterbox for confirmation tonight.

[Phat3R]

I too got a D in the mail today. :)

[Saturnalian]

C- I guess i'm gonna have to go faster than you now BoB

[BoB]

C- I guess i'm gonna have to go faster than you now BoB

What the ?... C for you jamie , now your going to have to get a spare bike and push it a bit more . That one you have is way too nice to race , put it back on the road and get an 08 to come out with us in clubsport.

[Saturnalian]

I tried to get a sneaky clubsport bike a couple of weeks ago. I pulled the pin at $4800. It went for $4900. Looks like 2016 it is for me. Mine is 01/10


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[dan]

Didn't get a letter :(

[chubb]

Maybe tomorrow. I didn't get mine either.

[Marshy]

It's a pretty archaic system, isn't it..... everyone sitting at the mailbox, waiting for a letter to arrive - or not. If everyone got a letter each year, that would be one thing; if you didn't receive a letter, you knew it went missing in transit. But if it's only some people (and it's at a random time each year), who knows whether you are regraded or whether the postal system was lazy/incompetent and lost or misplaced or misdelivered your letter.

A list on the website, and an email to licence holders telling them when the list had been published, would make much more sense in this day and age. Quicker, cheaper and much more reliable. Or am I wrong?

[chubb]

I think it was Rick that had a email from MA saying after 3 races in D grade you automatically go up to C.

Some people stay 2 years in D (like McCarthy) and some people go up to C after 1 race (Little Mick)

it makes no sense how they actually work out their magic formula.. (maybe its just a lucky dip)

Im in C this year because I called up not waiting for the magical letter

[dan]

grading thread redux!

[Phat3R]

Following the last St George meeting I attended, where the club said "grading nothing to do with us, speak to MNSW". I emailed MNSW twice asking for information regarding the grading process. I have never received a reply to either email. MNSW's lack of consultation and explanation regarding grading with and for those involved is simply atrocious. They only have themselves to blame for people referring to 'their system' as a lucky dip, they provide no explanation or transparency.

I'd actually hold this up as an 'anti pattern' with regard to how NOT to do grading. In my opinion there should be a checklist that is ticked and then an explanation of the marking scheme that results in a specific grade. For the sake of transparency everyone should be able to see 'the working out', not just the final magic answer, both for themselves and others.

The fact this comes out a week before St George rnds 1 & 2 is yet another example of how poor the admin is ... anyone that's changed grade now has to contact St George and modify their entry ... it's pathetic and incompetent.

[dan]

I actually did get a letter. D Grade :(

[motorbiker]

Well done Dan? :noidea:

I think Marshy is well versed in the lucky dip/pull a name out of a hat draw that is MNSW grading...

But just think, even if they get 50% wrong they've still got 50% right. Glass half full approach

[motorbiker]

A list on the website, and an email to licence holders telling them when the list had been published, would make much more sense in this day and age. Quicker, cheaper and much more reliable. Or am I wrong?

Forget which state, but one state MA body actually does publish a gradings list on their website (found it when I was searching online for ours a couple of weeks back before I put in my st george entry).

In this day and age there isn't really an excuse. And if privacy is a concern (really can't see how it would be) then it could be displayed by club membership #.

[Marshy]

St George actually did it for the first time last year.

[Phat3R]

I actually did get a letter. D Grade :(

What else were you expecting Dan? Enjoy the D whilst you can ... this time next year we should all get bumped to C.

[Phat3R]

And if privacy is a concern (really can't see how it would be) then it could be displayed by club membership #.

I can't see a privacy angle on this at all???

[mercho]

I got the letter today, moved to B.. No $2 trophies this year lol

[senator8]

I got the letter today, moved to B.. No $2 trophies this year lol

Protest Chubbs C grading ;)

[mercho]

Protest Chubbs C grading ;)

haha he definitely should be there if I am!!!

[senator8]

haha he definitely should be there if I am!!!

I'm writing the letter for you now. How he feels it's unfair you're best mates and want to continue to race together. How he's only got a stock motor and everyone else has got cams and head work. He wants to be B just like you and JC.

Sign and send - all done :)

[JC]

Hahahahaha

[mercho]

BAHAHAHHAAH - waiting for him to chime in, where are you Chubb?

[chubb]

awww its a bloody plot against me! :cry:

I think Ed has already written a letter to MNSW to put me up to C seeing how unfair it all is..

I will protest the B upgrade as I want a chance to win some $2 trophy!:third:

[chubb]

I'm writing the letter for you now. How he feels it's unfair you're best mates and want to continue to race together. How he's only got a stock motor and everyone else has got cams and head work. He wants to be B just like you and JC.

Sign and send - all done :)

I need to win lotto to do some motor work... :hat:

[mercho]

I need to win lotto to do some motor work... :hat:

Pretty sure mines stock, or did you do some sneaky work to it JC??? (please say you did) lol

[chubb]

well you got the likes of Marshy to compete with in B grade this year on his suber uber speccy R6 that puts out 160 HP

[senator8]

I need to win lotto to do some motor work... :hat:

Just buy a motor already done or buy a 1000. Job done ;)

Just don't tell Baddie or he'll research it on the internet to show you're doing it wrong. If not for him I wouldn't know higher compression and slipper clutches don't work.

[chubb]

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd451/chubb35/4ExUcKy.jpg (http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/chubb35/media/4ExUcKy.jpg.html)

[Mr.Ed]

I think Ed has already written a letter to MNSW to put me up to C seeing how unfair it all is..



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[Saturnalian]

I really like the way this threads unfolding


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[dan]

What else were you expecting Dan? Enjoy the D whilst you can ... this time next year we should all get bumped to C.

It's exactly what I was expecting but I was hoping I got bumped but had no rational basis for thinking I would. Oh well, next year!

[Marshy]

It's exactly what I was expecting but I was hoping I got bumped but had no rational basis for thinking I would. Oh well, next year!

Holy crap... someone call Guinness! We have two riders in the world that actually WANT to get graded up (and both in this thread, no less)!! This has never happened in the history of Aussie motorcycle racing!! Everyone else wants to go down a grade, or a least stay the same.....

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/media/6163363/OALogo-Article-580-327.jpg

[Mr.Ed]

I'm happy to stay the same but just for one more year... that's also because I don't them to have to go to the trouble of creating a new E grade just for me. Even though I deserve it.

[dan]

Holy crap... someone call Guinness! We have two riders in the world that actually WANT to get graded up (and both in this thread, no less)!! This has never happened in the history of Aussie motorcycle racing!! Everyone else wants to go down a grade, or a least stay the same.....

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/media/6163363/OALogo-Article-580-327.jpg

haha C grade and a (cheat) R6 would make me well happy

[dan]

actually A grade would make me happy - got to start somewhere though!

[chubb]

Again Ed :boink::boink:

http://i.imgur.com/aiM71js.jpg

[Mr.Ed]

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[Tristan]

Me to D :(


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[senator8]

I'm a C...! I know some of you already knew that.

[Marty]

It's exactly what I was expecting but I was hoping I got bumped but had no rational basis for thinking I would. Oh well, next year!

The reason is because of that thread where everyone insisted that all us newb D graders would be moved up to C. At the time we were arguing with it but we probably all spent the last few months "knowing" that we'd be C graders this year then when we get graded in D we get the feeling of disappointment.

Goes to show that the grading system really is a black box of mystery.

[dan]

I've only done that one race weekend so not much of a surprise I guess. Hopefully by the end of the year I'll be at a solid C pace (at least!)

[Marshy]

I've only done that one race weekend so not much of a surprise I guess. Hopefully by the end of the year I'll be at a solid C pace (at least!)

There's probably a sub-clause in the grading handbook that says something about needing to finish your first race meet for it to count :rofl: :pound:

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

[Phat3R]

There's probably a sub-clause in the grading handbook that says something about needing to finish your first race meet for it to count :rofl: :pound:

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

He only missed the restart of the last race on the last day ... :)

[dan]

There's probably a sub-clause in the grading handbook that says something about needing to finish your first race meet for it to count :rofl: :pound:

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

I finished it in the medical centre.

[Marshy]

He only missed the restart of the last race on the last day ... :)


Pfft. Never ruin a good story with the truth! ;)

[motorbiker]

So apparently Chubb has regraded me to B grade somehow. Not exactly sure how it happened, because I never got a letter in the mail and I even CALLED mnsw who told me I hadn't changed grades this year... But Chubb said so and it also seems that he's somehow managed to rig something with Jan...

On the positive side, Chubb won't be able to win a $2 trophy over me - different grades now. On the downside I expect to be the last placed B grade racer and to be overtaken by MANY C graders who are plenty faster than me (which will be humbling).

Marshy - if you ruled the world and grades were set according to lap times (apparently they are?), what lap times would you set to what grade (to keep it simple, lets keep it in SMP GP circuit terms)?

[Leezx10r]

No more pink vest for me in 2016 [emoji57] C grade baby hehehe


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[windy]

I like my pink vest.

[Mstevo]

2016 grading list
http://www.stgeorgemcc.com/pdfs/roadrace/St%20George%20MCC%20RR%20Grading%20List.pdf

[Marshy]

No more pink vest for me in 2016 [emoji57] C grade baby hehehe


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Well deserved mate!! Your times have dramatically improved lately.

I'm still B grade. I'm happy and sad about that.

[Binksy]

So I have to race Mstevo now?? Man I didn't sign up for this shit :P

B grade and in 1000's for next year. Sounds like fun, but I'm glad I stocked up on $2 trophies this year.

[Leezx10r]

Well deserved mate!! Your times have dramatically improved lately.

I'm still B grade. I'm happy and sad about that.

Thanks mate, times have dropped nicely, just need to work on the starts lol
B grade Marshy, that's great nothing wrong with that mate [emoji106]🏻
Looking forward to race session 2016


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[Builda]

Started track riding feb this year to see if I would like it...UNDERSTATMENT...I did the last round of St George this year at smsp, doing RYM this weekend. ADDICTED. Doing all rounds next year for St George and hopefully fxrrc..... And yes pinky for me......Peter:peace:

[simonr]

How the fck do they work them out??

I had my first race at st George in November and now they've put me up to b grade??

[Marshy]

How the fck do they work them out??

I had my first race at st George in November and now they've put me up to b grade??

Jan throws darts at names stuck to a dart board. It's a joke.

What lap times were you doing?

You can protest the decision for a couple of weeks.

[chubb]

Well deserved mate!! Your times have dramatically improved lately.

I'm still B grade. I'm happy and sad about that.

Didn't even race this year except for FX C/D grade. Some how I jumped all the way to the top.

[Ruckos87]

Will be a vest for me, also in D grade.
doing RYM and see how I go. If I'm up to pace.


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[simonr]

Jan throws darts at names stuck to a dart board. It's a joke.

What lap times were you doing?

You can protest the decision for a couple of weeks.

Pb in the 41s on a 600

[Turbo]

Only managed one race meet that didn't require a helicopter evacuation, this year... so I'm still D :thumb:

[Marshy]

Pb in the 41s on a 600

Yeah rite!! That's not hanging around. I reckon that's B grade :thumb:

[Marshy]

Without thinking about it too hard, I'd reckon something like:

A grade <1:36
B grade <1:42
C grade <1:50
D grade >1:50

[chubb]

C grade for me

[Turbo]

Yeah, not currently done on times tho. How does one effectively combine experience and speed? Should they even be combined?

[Turbo]

C grade for me

:pound:

[Marshy]

C grade for me

Yeah of course. You run in TON's pick-your-own-grade series. You were doing 37s last time out at the Creek, and it's not even your local track. C grade my ass.

[Leezx10r]

Without thinking about it too hard, I'd reckon something like:

A grade <1:36
B grade <1:42
C grade <1:50
D grade >1:50

Is that 300 ninja class?

[Marshy]

Is that 300 ninja class?

The old Ninja 250. Keeping it real.

[Leezx10r]

The old Ninja 250. Keeping it real.

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[chubb]

Yeah of course. You run in TON's pick-your-own-grade series. You were doing 37s last time out at the Creek, and it's not even your local track. C grade my ass.

St George sees the light putting me in A then??? C grade for AASA next year still though ... ;)

[Builda]

R those times for 600 or big boys

[Marshy]

R those times for 600 or big boys

Big bikes. Add, say, a second for 600s.

[Linden]

D grade >1:50

Does that mean I can get relegated back to D .... actually bugger that don't want no stinking vest


Big bikes. Add, say, a second for 600s.

missed that bit so how many secs for me ... (actually plan on getting Wayne to ride mine one day to see what an absolute time would be :eek: )

[Little Mick]

that was cause they missed it last year Chubb :P

[zoidberg]

I did a whole race meeting and I'm still D. I might have to check my phone, it seems that yamaha still haven't called me for a WSBK or MotoGP ride?

[Marshy]

I might have to check my phone, it seems that yamaha still haven't called me for a WSBK or MotoGP ride?

I'm sure they've been trying. I'd suspect Telstra is the culprit here.

[dan]

D Grade still. Probably right. I've gotten slow[er].

[Carl-52]

C for me now... seems about right, i had an awesome year at the sharp end of D grade. no more pink tho

[Dunno]

I checked the list. I've not raced since 2012 & I'm C grade. It's a gee up!!!

[Wolfie57]

Guys you are trying to read too much into the grading system - it is totally random!!

There is NO magic formula and if you ask for an explanation of why you're grade has changed they can't provide it. I tried last year after I was made a B grade after one year of racing and they couldn't give me an adequate answer. I appealed but was pretty much told it was pointless so after a month of not hearing anything back told them to forget it.

The main problem is that the rider has no control over it and then they cop all the abuse from other riders saying it isn't fair, Anthony Saad being the best example, he didn't ask to be kept in D grade, he was embarrassed about it and then everyone bitched and moaned saying it wasn't fair because they couldn't beat him.

This is also why Terry O'Neill ignores your MA grading as he thinks its so flawed (saying that there was some dubious C&D riders in FX)! :tape:

[Nelso]

I'm still a C grader.:D I don't think I will be C grade in historics though after this year. I've already been warned from the club secretary to expect a jump in grade.

[zooker]

No more pink vests for me either, and only afer one St George weekend on a temporary MA licence :D

[Krackeye]

I've maintained a C average. :cheer:

[Marshy]

No more pink vests for me either, and only afer one St George weekend on a temporary MA licence :D

Yeah, and totally deserved with your laptimes :thumb:

[Marshy]

I'm still a C grader.:D I don't think I will be C grade in historics though after this year. I've already been warned from the club secretary to expect a jump in grade.

You've improved markedly this year. B grade for sure.

[Binksy]

No more pink vests for me either, and only afer one St George weekend on a temporary MA licence :D

Think your lucky not to be B grade!

[Petefrost]

Guys you are trying to read too much into the grading system - it is totally random!!

There is NO magic formula and if you ask for an explanation of why you're grade has changed they can't provide it. I tried last year after I was made a B grade after one year of racing and they couldn't give me an adequate answer. I appealed but was pretty much told it was pointless so after a month of not hearing anything back told them to forget it.

The main problem is that the rider has no control over it and then they cop all the abuse from other riders saying it isn't fair, Anthony Saad being the best example, he didn't ask to be kept in D grade, he was embarrassed about it and then everyone bitched and moaned saying it wasn't fair because they couldn't beat him.

This is also why Terry O'Neill ignores your MA grading as he thinks its so flawed (saying that there was some dubious C&D riders in FX)! :tape:

I agree with Wolfie57. He's a tops bloke an' all that!


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[Turbo]

Guys you are trying to read too much into the grading system - it is totally random!!

There is NO magic formula and if you ask for an explanation of why you're grade has changed they can't provide it. I tried last year after I was made a B grade after one year of racing and they couldn't give me an adequate answer. I appealed but was pretty much told it was pointless so after a month of not hearing anything back told them to forget it.

The main problem is that the rider has no control over it and then they cop all the abuse from other riders saying it isn't fair, Anthony Saad being the best example, he didn't ask to be kept in D grade, he was embarrassed about it and then everyone bitched and moaned saying it wasn't fair because they couldn't beat him.

This is also why Terry O'Neill ignores your MA grading as he thinks its so flawed (saying that there was some dubious C&D riders in FX)! :tape:

Yeah, totes!!
I discovered earlier this year that NSW riders were ineligible for anything other than outright positions at the Pirelli Round at PI, as they literally laughed out loud at the MNSW grading system!! It's a total mess...

[Metal-Man]

didn't do an STG meet (nor completed a race) an i went from C to B ;-)

[Little Mick]

didn't do an STG meet (nor completed a race) an i went from C to B ;-)
SNAFU

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[zooker]

Yeah, and totally deserved with your laptimes :thumb:

trick will be to figure out how I did it last time and try and repeat it haha

[Metal-Man]

SNAFU

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ingrish prease?

[Little Mick]

Situation Normal. All F'ed Up (SNAFU)

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[Metal-Man]

Situation Normal. All F'ed Up (SNAFU)

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oh wait, i was only jokin

[Little Mick]

oh wait, i was only jokin
what you described has all but happened Cam. Ask the Senator.......

[Metal-Man]

lololololol