ARDC 13th September

[Tristan]

Who's in ????

[windy]

Count me in

[Tristan]

Awesome maybe the new paint job will make you faster lol

[chubb]

Sliding dirt bikes with Bernie Hatton.. whoot!

[BoB]

Im in unless the weather is crap..

[fitzy]

i have 14/15th booked ... but what the hell .. going to need tyres but

[Tristan]

Ill let you know today how much these bridgestones are

[Negrogrande]

In!

managed to get the time off work :)

[Marty]

Yep send the form in today 8)


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[fitzy]

Might book a bit closer to the day so can check forecast :)

[dan]

Yeah I'm in. Going to need tyres as well. Anyone got some slicks with some life left in them?

[Tristan]

I can get you new ones dan

[dan]

How much?

[Tristan]

I can get you new dunlops for about $500 that's cost not much in them or I may be able to get you Some michelins ill double check stock tomorrow

[dan]

Yeah cheers let me know. Don't know if I can stretch to $500 right now but I'll have a think for sure.

[Tristan]

Well text me tomorrow and ill find out about the michelins 0409832925

[windy]

Anyone else in?? So far we have:

Myself
Tristan
Fitzy
Bob
Negro
Dan
Marty

[Marshy]

In IN IN!!!

[Saturnalian]

Check- IN !!!

[windy]

Are we doing a Tarmac garage?

[Marshy]

Are we doing a Tarmac garage?

Yep :peace:

[senator8]

If you need the form you can download it here http://www.scribd.com/doc/165879718/Indemnity-form-for-ARDC-private-practice-days-at-Sydney-Motorsport-Park-Bikes
You need to log in to download it. You can log in with facebook or create a login, which takes all of about 5 seconds.

[dadat178]

I'm interested, what time do you have to get there?

[Marshy]

Once there's a confirmed bike session (which I'm sure there will be), you can just turn up whenever. There's not the mad scramble for a parking spot and garage as a regular track day. I usually aim for 7:30, but there's not a big disadvantage in getting there at 8:30 or later. Bikes are often first or second out though.

[dadat178]

Thanks Nick. I'm a definite maybe at this stage.

[fitzy]

bikes were last out the other day .. could have arrived about 10am lol

[windy]

Hey guys ardc just had a post up saying they still need another 3 bikes for Fridays private practice.

[Negrogrande]

I'll put my form in, has anyone got a link?

[Marshy]

I'm now a 'maybe' at this point :fear: :bolt:

I'm trying very hard to rearrange stuff, but not sure yet whether I can. Wife, kids and work - who'd have any of 'em! ;)

Oh, I've stickied the form here: http://tarmactalk.com/forum/showthread.php?232-ARDC-private-practice-bike-rego-form

[Negrogrande]

Scratch that, found and form sent

[dan]

Ill email mine in this arvo

[dan]

Marshy could I swing by Wednesday evening to get my tyres changed?

[Marshy]

Yeah mate, no worries :thumb:

[chubb]

Grip school is cancelled!! So I can get in on this!

buttttt..my forks are still in transit with Auspost (according to the latest tracking, I posted them on Wednesday last week FFS!)

Hoping they get to Stewie today but looks like tomorrow.. I wonder what are my chances like.. fukkkk!!

[chubb]

Spoke to Stewie.. 80% in. Will sort forms tomorrow if 100% in

[BoB]

Get those forms in , its going to be mostly sunny fri and monday .. with some showers on sat ,sun ... good job im in for fri and mon on the GP ... oh yeah

[Marshy]

I'm on the wait list for Monday. I might be able to do Friday, but arrive late and leave early. Not sure yet (fingers crossed).

[chubb]

I still have to get a smaller sprocket as I'm running out of puff. It is true that the racers tell me the faster you go, you will find that you will need a smaller sprocket so you don't run out of puff.

And my tyre warmers are about to die too

Still need to install new forks and shock and set geometry for the new 180/60 rear

[fitzy]

put my form in tomorrow .. that means friday ardc, sat/sunday trackie ;)

[Marshy]

I still have to get a smaller sprocket as I'm running out of puff.

What gearing are you running at the moment?

[dan]

Sent my form in today. On the waiting list for Monday. How did Monday sell out? The other GP days have been around half full!

[senator8]

Last gp day before FX and st George race meetings?

[chubb]

What gearing are you running at the moment?

For SMP 15/46

Hits the rev limiter on the main straight for like a second and a bit before I back off for turn 1

[Marshy]

I was running the same for ages, then as my exit speed out of 12 improved, I moved to 15/45. After a while I ran out of revs with that combo too, so went to a 15/44, but I didn't like it as much. I've just recently switched back to the 45, and now I find I'm not running out of revs, so clearly I've gotten slower out of 12 and/or into 1.....

[Tristan]

If any one wants a camera/cameras for Friday let me know and ill order a heap this afternoon.

[windy]

Just got the call Friday is a go! Hopefully the weather will come good now

[dan]

Just spoke to them and it's GP circuit tomorrow yieeeew

[Tristan]

Awesome :) I can not tell you how much I hate the full circuit

[chubb]

pretty sure it always has been

[Condor]

Im in boys. See yas out there!!!!!!

[dan]

Work can get fucked. Study can get fucked. I'm going to go get my bike ready!

[dadat178]

I'm heading down will do entry on the spot.

[windy]

Guys we are in garage 8 if anyone wants to come in

[fitzy]

Sorry for the delays today caused by me boys , had an off at t5 in session 3 The front just went and nothing I could do then session 5 at t17 I hot oil !! Now to get bike fixed again before tomorrow and Sunday! Ricondi leathers done a great job :) my first even off at the creek and twice In one day .. Had to be Friday the 13th!!!

[Marty]

Sorry for the delays today caused by me boys , had an off at t5 in session 3 The front just went and nothing I could do then session 5 at t17 I hot oil !! Now to get bike fixed again before tomorrow and Sunday! Ricondi leathers done a great job :) my first even off at the creek and twice In one day .. Had to be Friday the 13th!!!

Mate I felt so bad for you in the last session, on my out lap I sware I could see oil on most of the track, I had the back step out coming out of 12, but all day id been seeing suspicious marks on the track. I was going to go into the pits and tell them, I stayed out for that lap (only had like 2-3 secs to make that decision), as I came around to (old) T9 I saw the yellow flag and started swaring in my helmet and sure enough there was a bike in the kitty litter :( I raced down the pit lane and told old mate about the oil.

In session 2 T5 looked like it was hosed in oil but the traction seemed to be there, took me about 6 laps to get the courage to hit it hard though.

[dan]

Sorry for the delays today caused by me boys , had an off at t5 in session 3 The front just went and nothing I could do then session 5 at t17 I hot oil !! Now to get bike fixed again before tomorrow and Sunday! Ricondi leathers done a great job :) my first even off at the creek and twice In one day .. Had to be Friday the 13th!!!

Hard luck mate. Was worried when I saw that red flag glad you are alright.

As you said after your first off you won't feel the need to be precious with your fairings so you can twice as not precious now!

[dan]

I had a pretty rotten time trying to get the vibe of the superbike pro I just put on my rear. Don't like it as much as the ntec I had on before. Spent a few sessions trying to work out the right pressure for my riding and wasn't too far off but decided to call it a day after the oil came out. Got a starting point for next time though so that's a positive.

[chubb]

Superbike pro are a very hard compound

I use to have them and set them at 28 hot

Then tend to spin up really easily

I don't rate them. The fronts on the other hand aren't too bad

[dan]

They were spinning way too much for my ability / comfort. I went out originally at 29 in the first session and thought I might have just been a little aggressive on the throttle before picking the bike up then it happened again in the second. Looked up the specs on the Pirelli site and they said a good starting point was 26 so I tried that and was still having trouble. They recommended dropping to 24-25 if it was still spinning too much so tried that but then came in after the oil.

I have some NTECs on rims so I thnk I'll just put them on. I was literally 3 seconds off my regular times :(

[dan]

The NTECs I had on before was my first experience with slicks and I found the slide the predictable and manageable. Never felt like it was getting away from me. Every time these started to slide I felt like the rear was going to go and at one point around turn 9 I almost high-sided. Came proper up out of my seat. Shame I hadnt double checked to make sure it was recording as I had my camera mounted on the tail!

[dan]

Everything that Marshy wrote in about these tyres in that tyre thread makes sense to me now. I guess this is what it is all about though, finding out what works and I can cross those SB Pros off my list.

[chubb]

Supercorsas on the other hand totally different ball game

[Tristan]

Did any one take pics from Friday

[fitzy]

cheers guys yeah bike was all good bit of character now lol .. dam oil ;(

[Marty]

Here's a video of session 3, there's a few bikes from the tarmac garage in the vid.

http://youtu.be/zUEeAv--cpU

Ps: if your wondering why my bike is getting so much headshake, it had really bad front pad drag. Turns out I warped the pads. I changed them out and was back at the creek yesterday and it was back to normal

[senator8]

Session 3


http://youtu.be/cjzgy8bsi2E

Session 4


http://youtu.be/cp9mYEjkwks

[fitzy]

Awesome footage mate ! Nice wheelie t5 to t6 after you went round me :)

[Kaneg]

Nice one Rick,

How did you fit reverse shift on the Beemer?

[Marshy]

Cool! The chain really does some weird things, doesn't it!

[senator8]

Nice one Rick,

How did you fit reverse shift on the Beemer?

I'll post a pick of the shifter Pete


Cool! The chain really does some weird things, doesn't it!

yeah it's a bit scary

[senator8]

Nice one Rick,

How did you fit reverse shift on the Beemer?

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[Marty]

Awesome footage mate ! Nice wheelie t5 to t6 after you went round me :)

Thanks mate! I love being able to hang a bit of a cheeky wheelie here and there and not risk being kicked out.

[dan]

I need to learn to wheelie :(

[chubb]

Use the clutch

[Baddie]

What's going on Senator... You need to stop riding that beemer at the wild life park...Maybe that explains the lack of Suzuki speed down the straight...:pound::dance:




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[senator8]

Yeah, that guy stands out a mile. Maybe you can get a monkey suit and we can complete the safari theme.
Unfortunately I can't just do a sprocket change on the BMW like the suzukis and claim 300kph on the straight. The BMW speedo works off the wheel speed sensors and the GPS doesn't lie either.

[Marty]

So many lolz

[Baddie]

Done..

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Lucky for you I found a few for you, Jamie and Nick....pmsl.....Fk I'm funny



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[senator8]

I am so worried about you.

[senator8]

Thanks mate! I love being able to hang a bit of a cheeky wheelie here and there and not risk being kicked out.

Amen

[dan]

Use the clutch

I've never really tried before so I've got this paranoia I'm going to do a Biaggi and almost flip the thing haha

[chubb]

its also all about throttle control.. how good are you with your right hand??

I don't mean fapping either.. :lol:

[dan]

I should probably get a vibe for it on the dirt at 20kmh rather than on the track at 120kmh

[senator8]

I should probably get a vibe for it on the dirt at 20kmh rather than on the track at 120kmh

Video or it didn't happen.

[dan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXehDsRw2uE&feature=youtu.be

Just got this one together of my second session.

[dan]

Video or it didn't happen.

haven't done either yet!

[senator8]

haven't done either yet!

It was for future reference ;)

[Marty]

I'm not a wheelie god but I've found the rule of thumb to be power ups when your on the cam and clutch ups when your off it. That one in my vid out of T5 is nothing more than just pinning the throttle from about 70% and leaning back in 3rd (600cc). Power ups are better suited for the track because you just do it under acceleration and you don't lose much pace at all (only really the extra drag). But if i was coming out of the pits on the south circuit I'd give the clutch a fan in 2nd.

I got screamed at at ECRD one day I was passing a guy just out of 12, I did the same thing but I clicked it into 4th and kept sailing down the straight on the back wheel. I got the half rolled up red flag and old mate was waiting for me at the entry of pitlane.

[chubb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXehDsRw2uE&feature=youtu.be

Just got this one together of my second session.

from the video is seems you are too focused on the bike in front of you.

Following someone is fine but look for your own entry and exit points. You seem to be adjusting the bike minutely throughout the corner which makes me think you are fixated on the bike you are following.

Vision is key for going fast

[dan]

Hopefully I'll have some video next session of some nice front wheel air time!

[senator8]

session 2


http://youtu.be/3GNaqWxNsUg

[BoB]

Here is one of my vids of ardc , sorry but i havent been able to do any editing yet , the pc is giving me the shits .. anyway its the last session i did ,red flag and t17 off by fitzy. i didnt notice any oil , but i think i was very lucky as i was trying to catch marty.

Marty got to watch out for those ferraris when pulling out of the pits (around the 2:15 mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtep8M4ifY

[dan]

from the video is seems you are too focused on the bike in front of you.

Following someone is fine but look for your own entry and exit points. You seem to be adjusting the bike minutely throughout the corner which makes me think you are fixated on the bike you are following.

Vision is key for going fast

haha funny you should mention that. I was actually trying to film James so he could get a vibe on how he looked on the bike

[dan]

Well spotted!

[Phat3R]

Here's a video of session 3, there's a few bikes from the tarmac garage in the vid.
http://youtu.be/zUEeAv--cpU
Ps: if your wondering why my bike is getting so much headshake, it had really bad front pad drag. Turns out I warped the pads. I changed them out and was back at the creek yesterday and it was back to normal

Out of interest what's the year of your CBR600? My GSXR600 K1 seems to hold its own on the main straight before you rounded me up in T2 t=5:20. Rob had also commented on my straight line speed on Fri ... seems weird, maybe I have a stealth 750??? Anyway my braking is obviously complete shite :)
http://youtu.be/zUEeAv--cpU?t=5m20s

[BoB]

Ardc session 3

Chasing Jamie out of the pits , then having a good session with Bill hunting down the White tiger

http://youtu.be/xejkeqKL7ys

[Marty]

Out of interest what's the year of your CBR600? My GSXR600 K1 seems to hold its own on the main straight before you rounded me up in T2 t=5:20. Rob had also commented on my straight line speed on Fri ... seems weird, maybe I have a stealth 750??? Anyway my braking is obviously complete shite :)
http://youtu.be/zUEeAv--cpU?t=5m20s

It's a 07 tuned with 112rwhp. I've geared it for acceleration (15/45) to haul my 100kg ass around. It suffers on the straight a bit, im going to try going a 44 on the back and see how it compares. I'm only getting 225 by the GPS on the straight :(

Marty

[Phat3R]

It's a 07 tuned with 112rwhp. I've geared it for acceleration (15/45) to haul my 100kg ass around. It suffers on the straight a bit, im going to try going a 44 on the back and see how it compares. I'm only getting 225 by the GPS on the straight :(
Marty

Ahh explains it, the old Suzy says 265 on dial so maybe 240 true at roll off if all goes well. Will be interested in your findings re sprockets, I have not played in that space yet.

[Phat3R]

Ardc session 3

Chasing Jamie out of the pits , then having a good session with Bill hunting down the White tiger

http://youtu.be/xejkeqKL7ys

Next time I see the Zebra / albino tiger I am going to confirm exactly what animal he reckons he is! ;)

[chubb]

haha funny you should mention that. I was actually trying to film James so he could get a vibe on how he looked on the bike

explains it then!! haha

[Marshy]

It's a 07 tuned with 112rwhp. I've geared it for acceleration (15/45) to haul my 100kg ass around. It suffers on the straight a bit, im going to try going a 44 on the back and see how it compares. I'm only getting 225 by the GPS on the straight :(

Marty

I geared a bit longer on my bike to overcome the lack of terminal velocity, and it made a big difference. Give a 44 a go. As you get quicker out of T12, you need taller gearing.

I'm getting 250 on the GPS at the end of the straight. 113 rwhp, and I'm only a few kgs lighter than you. I reckon it was running out of puff, as peak power is a fair bit lower than redline.

[dan]

explains it then!! haha

That's why I didnt go past him ;)

[dan]

Next time I see the Zebra / albino tiger I am going to confirm exactly what animal he reckons he is! ;)

I saw the guys up the far end of the pits they are 'White Tiger Racing'.

[senator8]

I'm running 44 rear on the srad and getting just on 240 with 115rwhp and similar lard.

[dan]

Ahh explains it, the old Suzy says 265 on dial so maybe 240 true at roll off if all goes well. Will be interested in your findings re sprockets, I have not played in that space yet.


Mine shows just under 260 on the dial (15/45) and my GPS is around 225 on the straight as well. I'm running out of puff when I get to my markers. Interested to hear how your 44 goes.

Just looked my configuration up on gearingcommander.com and it reckons my top should be around 229 so that's probably not far off. 235kmh if I went 44 at the back.

[dan]

Power wise I'm a smidgen over 100hp

[Saturnalian]

Ardc session 3

Chasing Jamie out of the pits , then having a good session with Bill hunting down the White tiger

http://youtu.be/xejkeqKL7ys

Thanks for that mate. Very patient of you. I can't wait to get a good look at my arse for a few laps when I get to my computer after work tonight.


The broken iPhone just ain't cutting it.
Cheers,

Jamie

[Marty]

I geared a bit longer on my bike to overcome the lack of terminal velocity, and it made a big difference. Give a 44 a go. As you get quicker out of T12, you need taller gearing.

I'm getting 250 on the GPS at the end of the straight. 113 rwhp, and I'm only a few kgs lighter than you. I reckon it was running out of puff, as peak power is a fair bit lower than redline.

Thanks nick, I will definitely buy a 44t before my next outing. I was checking gearing commander vs my logged GPS max speeds. On the dyno my bike drops off at 14,500 and limiter is at 15,000. On the straight 225 is the exact speed gearing commander says for 14,500. I'm maxing out my top speed in 3rd between T3-T4 and T4-T5, but I can actually hit 15k down the hill from T3 (since its down hill). Going to a 44 will give me about 5kph more in each gear so I shouldn't have to spin it past 14,500 anywhere.

Having data is so useful! I've picked up so much from being able to video and time properly.

[Tristan]

I can get you AFAM sprockets

[Marty]

I can get you AFAM sprockets

PM sent!

[BoB]

It's a 07 tuned with 112rwhp. I've geared it for acceleration (15/45) to haul my 100kg ass around. It suffers on the straight a bit, im going to try going a 44 on the back and see how it compares. I'm only getting 225 by the GPS on the straight :(

Marty

Marty , What size rear are you running . i found 15 font ,43 rear and running a 190 set the gearing nice , revs just toping out down the straight and the top speed averaging around the 232 , best was a 238.

[chubb]

Doesn't running a 190 on a 5.5 rim pinch the tyre?

[Marty]

Marty , What size rear are you running . i found 15 font ,43 rear and running a 190 set the gearing nice , revs just toping out down the straight and the top speed averaging around the 232 , best was a 238.

Thanks bob, I'm running 15/45 with a 180. You're a fair bit lighter than me though, ill start with the 44 and if I get good enough to top that out then ill drop another tooth. For me its not the main straight thats an issue (i expect to lose out a bit there), but the two spots i mentioned where a top out 3rd. Luckily sprockets are pretty cheap so it's not a big deal to experiment with.

[Negrogrande]

Doesn't running a 190 on a 5.5 rim pinch the tyre?

not in my experience, one of the first things I changed when I got the suzi

[chubb]

Always thought apart from the dunlops

The rest gets pinched

[BoB]

Thanks bob, I'm running 15/45 with a 180. You're a fair bit lighter than me though, ill start with the 44 and if I get good enough to top that out then ill drop another tooth. For me its not the main straight thats an issue (i expect to lose out a bit there), but the two spots i mentioned where a top out 3rd. Luckily sprockets are pretty cheap so it's not a big deal to experiment with.

What corner speed are you getting tipping into T4 ? when you top out in 3rd gear .

[Marshy]

Always thought apart from the dunlops

The rest gets pinched

You just need to carry more lean angle :rockon:

[chubb]

Yeah I still have chicky strips on my rear and front tyres... seriously not joking

[Marty]

What corner speed are you getting tipping into T4 ? when you top out in 3rd gear .

Max speed between T3-T4 says 169 (thats banging limiter) and corner entry says 98.


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[Mr.Ed]

Always thought apart from the dunlops

The rest gets pinched

I'm no pro nor anything but I reckon that if the Pirellis fit a 5.5 rim on STK600/WSS, they should fit the rim on my bike too!

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6753/p09f.jpg

[chubb]

Thought they use the 180/60

[Mr.Ed]

They do this year but it used to be a 190 if I'm not mistaken

[Marshy]

You'd be surprised about the actual width of various tyres, remembering that the profile plays a part too, along with tyre design in general (sidewall stiffness etc). Fourex ample, the Dunlop 190/55 GPAs are 188.5mm wide, whereas the 190/60 are 191.3mm.

Bigger differences are with some of the other tyres - the treaded GP rear (UK treaded) in 200/55 are only 191 wide (ie narrower than the 190 GPA). The Buffalo (US ntec slick) in a 190 are 188.5, but only 194 in a 200. And the awesome UK ntec rear slick in a 195 are actually only 191, BUT they are super high, so often don't fit in the swingarm without a new, longer chain!

On the front, the 125/80 Buffalo are narrower than the 120/70 KR106 (118 v 119). But then again, the UK 211GP treaded in 120/70 is 119, but the US 211GPA in the identical size of 120/70 is 123.

So there ya go! It's not all about the number stamped on the sidewall.

Source: http://www.dunlopracing.com/fitment.pdf

[Mr.Ed]

Just when I thought I was understanding something...

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[chubb]

Just when I thought I was understanding something...

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What he said

That's some info there!!

[dan]

Trying to understand tyres and suspension is going to be the death of me.