ARDC Tuesday 11th Oct

[windy]

Anyone in for this one?

[fitzy]

yepppp

[Marshy]

Yep :thumb:


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[Ruckos87]

Me too.


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[Marshy]

Sooooooo, apropos our discussion in the garages about the schedule being too 'car' and not suiting bikes, I've had a go at drafting a new schedule to propose to ARDC for the 11th (and beyond). For those that weren't there, there were only 4 groups, which usually means 5 sessions for everyone, but they decided it would be 4 sessions each but longer sessions. The two before lunch were 20 mins each, and the two after lunch were 25 mins each. We would rather have more, shorter sessions, so the attached gives bikes 6 x 15 min sessions, for exactly the same overall track minutes (90 mins) as the cars.

Thoughts?? Does anyone have a copy of the schedule from the other day? My day finishes at 3:45.... I'm not sure what they had to fill the time.

Edit: Document to follow shortly....

[Marshy]

Doc for comment: Schedule (http://tarmactalk.com/images/ARDC_Schedule.docx)

[Ruckos87]

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Did we finish up about 430 on Friday?
Pic of schedule used attached
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161003/b4c87cc4ed7a36045f0167bf2f12d0d9.jpg

[Marshy]

Thanks mate, that's what I needed!!


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[( . Y . ) McGee]

I'm in.

[Junior]

I don't think I can get it off work, but trying to work on it. might have to just cover on different days. don't count me out just yet.
have we heard back to see if the proposed timeline would work

[Mr.Ed]

Oh I like them longer seshs... Bike is supposed to be in hibernation mode but now I feel like waking it up

[Marshy]

Oh I like them longer seshs... Bike is supposed to be in hibernation mode but now I feel like waking it up

Sorry Ed, only people that actually ride are authorised to have an opinion on session lengths! :pound:

[Mr.Ed]

ouch... poor Baddie.

[Marshy]

ouch... poor Baddie.

Bahahahahahaha!!!!


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[Turbo]

Doc for comment: Schedule (http://tarmactalk.com/images/ARDC_Schedule.docx)

Yep, totally agree with this. Thanks for putting it together, Marshy :thumb:

[zoidberg]

Can someone call in sick for me??? Have fun gentlemen. That schedule looks great! Have you sent it to them yet Marshy? Any feedback?

[Wolfie57]

[QUOTE=Marshy;29006]Sooooooo, apropos our discussion in the garages about the schedule being too 'car' and not suiting bikes, I've had a go at drafting a new schedule to propose to ARDC for the 11th (and beyond). For those that weren't there, there were only 4 groups, which usually means 5 sessions for everyone, but they decided it would be 4 sessions each but longer sessions. The two before lunch were 20 mins each, and the two after lunch were 25 mins each. We would rather have more, shorter sessions, so the attached gives bikes 6 x 15 min sessions, for exactly the same overall track minutes (90 mins) as the cars.


I'm in, have a new bike to test :attention:

Happy with what you propose mate, alot less sitting around. The only issue I can see is that they often change the number of groups and schedule, it never seems to be the same but when they do we are usually the ones to suffer.

[Marshy]

I'm in, have a new bike to test :attention:


Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgh!!! You can't just throw that out there without more details and pics!!!!

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61587054.jpg



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[Wolfie57]

Hahaha, thought you would bite!

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Does this give it away........?

[Marshy]

Yup. There's no missing the mark of A Saad.


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[Wolfie57]

Haha yep, got his 'wet' bike that has never been raced and only done 2500km's. We did a few 'quick and easy' swap jobs yesterday that took 3 of us 7 hours!

It's gonna look a bit strange next week but will hopefully go well! :first::first:

[zoidberg]

Nice one Mark! Does it have the same grunt as his dry bike?!!

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[stevem]

Mark, do you run gp shift or regular?

[Turbo]

Haha yep, got his 'wet' bike that has never been raced and only done 2500km's. We did a few 'quick and easy' swap jobs yesterday that took 3 of us 7 hours!

It's gonna look a bit strange next week but will hopefully go well! :first::first:


Yiewww!! Nice pick-up Mark. Can't wait to see it out on track :thumb: :cool:

[Carl-52]

I was a fan of the longer sessions. Also not a fan of only having 4 sessions... this means i love track time, was this at all helpful? lololol In all honesty tho, the 20 minutes sessions were tops, 25s maybe a touch too long.

[Wolfie57]

[QUOTE=zoidberg;29037]Nice one Mark! Does it have the same grunt as his dry bike?!!

Hahaha I wish!

Steve, I use road shift if that's what you mean? I'm old skool! The Gilles on there are race shift so swapping them over.

[Ruckos87]

There's Only 2 pre booked I'm still only 80% but I'll shoot a form through now


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[Simmo]

Just sent forms in.


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[Marshy]

Just sent mine in too :thumb:

[Junior]

I can go I Can go :hail:

[Marshy]

I can go I Can go :hail:

Booyah!!

[Wolfie57]

[QUOTE=Plumb;29049]There's Only 2 pre booked I'm still only 80% but I'll shoot a form through now


Sending mine shortly and Michael Witchard has sent his

[Wolfie57]

I just called and they are going to cancel it unless we get more entries in by lunchtime tomorrow, get spreading the word..........:bump2:

[Junior]

how many did they have when you called wolfie? I sent mine in already.

[Wolfie57]

She said 4 but I think that was before she found mine and Pete is sending his now so we have at least 6 I think.

[Wolfie57]

Jimmy Davies just booked and Alex C called them earlier so must be up to 8 by now so should be fine

[Ruckos87]

Farrrrrk I'm out ....
Sorry guys


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[Simmo]

Plumb.
Nooooooo.
7


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[Mickwitchy]

Pete, Wolfie, Alex, Marshy, Simmo, Junior, Jimmy and myself is 8. Is that the minimum?

[Wolfie57]

Forgot you were on here!

Yeh they usually go ahead with 7/8, for some reason my email didn't send yesterday so they weren't counting mine. I've just resent it.

[Marshy]

ARDC emails have been offline since 4pm yesterday (or earlier), and they are only just starting to come through now. So they don't know how many they've actually got yet. They'll decide on Monday. 8 forms will be enough, and I'm pretty sure we've got that already


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[( . Y . ) McGee]

Mine went in yesterday too... We should be sweet.

[Marshy]

Almost there. Wait one.


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[Marshy]

We are go!!!

10 forms received, not just 8 or 9.


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[Simmo]

It's official. 10 pre booked.
Session will go ahead.


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[( . Y . ) McGee]

Any news on the proposed format Marshy?

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[Marshy]

Any news on the proposed format Marshy?

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Not yet. I'm hoping they are really impressed, and that they are just working out the best way to implement it whilst having it look like their idea.

[Marshy]

Perfect!!!!

Tuesday 11 OctoberSummaryhttp://www.bom.gov.au/images/symbols/large/partly-cloudy.pngMin 10 Max 21 Mostly sunny. Possible rainfall: 0 mm Chance of any rain: 10% http://www.bom.gov.au/images/ui/weather/rain_10.gifSydney areaMostly sunny. Winds westerly 20 to 30 km/h turning southwesterly in the late morning.

Sun protection recommended from 9:40 am to 4:10 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 8 [Very High]

[Carl-52]

ill be in a quiz and seminar at uni :(

[Marshy]

ill be in a quiz and seminar at uni :(

Pop quiz: How do you go to the ARDC day instead, but not get in trouble at uni.....?

[Marshy]

ARDC just called me, and they are going to try out our new schedule!!!! They are finalising it now, and will email me a copy soon. They are seeking feedback (by email to reception@ardc.com.au) on the new schedule, whereby bikes get more, more frequent, shorter sessions. In other words, it's not just my view that is important. But you only get to comment if you actually attend! ;)

[Stu23]

Pop quiz: How do you go to the ARDC day instead, but not get in trouble at uni.....?

or get in trouble with your dad !!!!

[Simmo]

ill be in a quiz and seminar at uni :(

Field trip?
Off campus tutorial?


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[( . Y . ) McGee]

Awesome news on the new schedizzle... and how good is the weather outlook turned!?!

Can't effin wait.

Just gotta get Jnr's R6 sorted this arvo and we're all go.

[Marshy]

I think he's ok now. He was huddled in the foetal position and weeping earlier, but I gather Jaz has rescued him, and he's happy again!

[Leezx10r]

ARDC just called me, and they are going to try out our new schedule!!!! They are finalising it now, and will email me a copy soon. They are seeking feedback (by email to reception@ardc.com.au) on the new schedule, whereby bikes get more, more frequent, shorter sessions. In other words, it's not just my view that is important. But you only get to comment if you actually attend! ;)

Supporting email sent to ARDC [emoji1303]


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[Marshy]

Supporting email sent to ARDC [emoji1303]


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(man hug) :thumb:

[Marshy]

So, slightly different to planned... they are trialling shorter sessions for all groups. Still a big improvement!! I'm very interested to see how the cars like it.


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[Ruckos87]

So this feedback is that just from tomorrows riders or emails in general?

I reckon it's a tops idea, especially for the unfit riders like myself...


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[Simmo]

Is it tomorrow yet?


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[Turbo]

So, slightly different to planned... they are trialling shorter sessions for all groups. Still a big improvement!! I'm very interested to see how the cars like it.


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Hooray!! Great when people take things on board, well done ARDC. Look forward to hearing the feedback. :pop2:

[Junior]

My bike is up and running, Massive thanks to Jaswib for lending me an ECU and marshy for the (bring me back up after crying myself to sleep not knowing what the prob is), and all involved with helping diagnosis. but short story is i am good to go and will be waiting outside the gate at 3 am. I know most of you think thats a joke but seriously i prob will be awake watching the clock.

BRING ON TOMORROW!!!!!

[Stu23]

great stuff

[Simmo]

3am. GOLD. You make me feel normal!!


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[Turbo]

My bike is up and running, Massive thanks to Jaswib for lending me an ECU and marshy for the (bring me back up after crying myself to sleep not knowing what the prob is), and all involved with helping diagnosis. but short story is i am good to go and will be waiting outside the gate at 3 am. I know most of you think thats a joke but seriously i prob will be awake watching the clock.

BRING ON TOMORROW!!!!!

Yiewww!! Great news matey!! Have a blast. :peace:

[Ruckos87]

Awesome news Joel!!!


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[Marshy]

Is it tomorrow yet?


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Yes, I'm sure it's tomorrow now. Lets just go now. We will see Junior at the gate.

[Marshy]

Literally first person here

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[Simmo]

Pole position!


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[zoidberg]

Have a bloody good day lads. I am trying to convince myself I'm not insanely jealous and hate you all.

It's not really working.

Oh, also, good work on the request for time changes, I'm assuming the car guys will have a whinge at the briefing in the morning, yet not actually notice in the slightest that their sessions are shorter.

[Ruckos87]

How is it out there?? I'm so jealous right now


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[zoidberg]

Those guys riding are jerks Luke. Jerks.

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[Metal-Man]

i could hear u bastards out there while at work today ... even at home on weekends i can hear ya's

[Simmo]

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Terrible day plumb. You would've hated it!!


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[Ruckos87]

I'm hating so much right now[emoji35][emoji35][emoji35]


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[Turbo]

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Bahahahahaha!!!

[Marshy]

Unbelievable day today!!! More info soon

[zoidberg]

Unbelievable day today!!! More info soon

I just crunched some numbers, it's soon now.

[Marshy]

I just crunched some numbers, it's soon now.

Our watches are in sync.

So in the last session today, I was banging out 38.8s, feeling pretty good about my place in the world, and then Damo Cudlin shot past me and tucked in in front of me, looking over his shoulder with a 'follow me' look. I latched on, and in the one and only flying lap, dropped 1.5 SECONDS!!! and banged out a 37.3 (including stuffing up T9 and sorting ourselves out in T1). Fark me.

I thanked him profusely afterwards, and he just said 'did that help? You were looking good in some areas but I thought I could help you in a few other areas'.

Thanks Damo! Much appreciated mate :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvMPWK5XtQ

[Marshy]

I don't know what much of this means, but I think some of it is good?

http://tarmactalk.com/images/lap-data.jpg

[Simmo]

Our watches are in sync.

So in the last session today, I was banging out 38.8s, feeling pretty good about my place in the world, and then Damo Cudlin shot past me and tucked in in front of me, looking over his shoulder with a 'follow me' look. I latched on, and in the one and only flying lap, dropped 1.5 SECONDS!!! and banged out a 37.3 (including stuffing up T9 and sorting ourselves out in T1). Fark me.

I thanked him profusely afterwards, and he just said 'did that help? You were looking good in some areas but I thought I could help you in a few other areas'.

Thanks Damo! Much appreciated mate :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvMPWK5XtQ

That is epic. I was grinning lie an idiot watching it.


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[stevem]

Good stuff Nick, Having Damo , Glenn and guys of their caliber around that are willing to share is priceless .Well done man.

[Marshy]

Thanks Steve!! I've finally got the confidence back on the bike now. I'm still a ways off my PB of 36.1, but I can see the light again now, so I know it's not far away. Now I just need to figure out what the hell I did differently behind Damo to be (rolling lap time) 2 secs quicker than any other lap all day!

Damo was coaching two other guys yesterday, but had been watching me for a couple of laps apparently, and just decided to jump in front and give me a hand. The first I knew about it was when he appeared in front of me in T1!! Awesome guy. It's just fantastic that he thinks like that. Glenn too. And of course Alex Cudlin, who was also there helping Wolfie out for the day (we all had lunch together). Top guys, the Cudlins.

[Marshy]

I should add that my previous PB was from 18 months ago, on the old bike and before I broke my leg the last time. I've been cheering to recently get back under a flat 40 on the new(ish) bike.

[stevem]

Theoretical best lap 1.33.542

[Marshy]

Theoretical best lap 1.33.542

I know, right?? Faaaaaark!! :D


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[nigelnobody]

Great day Nick!
Sold a bike and getting mojo back congrats.

[Junior]

how freaking good is damo, Absolute top bloke to talk to and cant give you enough info. he is great and just a fantastic rider to watch, Top work marshy :whoo:, bloody top day yesterday after a bit of a blunder on sat. we all turned it around and just had the biggest smiles. I cant wait for st George round. Gonna be awesome.

[Junior]

Oh and just a stunning Pic of me simmo. STUNNING!!! hahaha

[Kris]

Oh and just a stunning Pic of me simmo. STUNNING!!! hahaha

Nick, did you try a dunlop rear? If so which one did you settle on?

[Marshy]

Nick, did you try a dunlop rear? If so which one did you settle on?

Not yet; they haven't arrived from Melbourne yet. That was a Bridgestone, new in the morning, but very ready to be flipped by mid-afternoon. If I'd been more organised, I'd've fitted a different rim and saved the tyre until I could flip it, as the left side is very 2nd hand now. We actually got a lot of laps yesterday, and the 6 session thing was GOLD!

Stevem, you're running Dunlop now, right? What rears do you use? Kris and I were thinking that we might be losing out on some laptime on the V02s. Awesome down to 38s, but maybe we need a different rear to (more easily) drop some more laptime. Keen for your thoughts :)

[Kris]

Nice one! Good work on the V02 rear then. Maybe I need to swap out the tyre - Ive been using it since March at ASBK Wakefield :banplease: :banplease: like you said - doesnt wear

PS: you need to clean up your AIM sectors ;) Duplicate the EC sector spots and youll get more accurate timing in AIM

[Marshy]

like you said - doesnt wear

No, but over time you lose laptime and can't work out where it's gone.


PS: you need to clean up your AIM sectors ;)

That was a clean install of AIM on my home computer, just so I could look at the data last night. I've just got the track laptop out and am looking at that now, with the sorted out sectors etc.

Thanks tho! ;)

[Kris]

No, but over time you lose laptime and can't work out where it's gone.



That was a clean install of AIM on my home computer, just so I could look at the data last night. I've just got the track laptop out and am looking at that now, with the sorted out sectors etc.

Thanks tho! ;)

Yep, I should replace the rear! Will do that for my next outing. Glad you're back on the pace ;) The video of damo is interesting, he's in/outta those corners fast by entering very late

[Mr.Ed]

not gonna lie, I might save that video to watch every now and then

[stevem]

I have been running the Dunlop H886 (#4) . I ran them in the first round of FX and all year. It is the harder of the dunlops they bring to Oz. The one to be on is H998 (#2). They are the control tyre for ASBK and they didn't have enough to sell during the year although Simon Galloway has been on them.If you can't get the 2's and it is hot enough ( at least +30 track temp) the Yamaha boys tested the 133 soft and found them a close second to the 2's. I did a back to back one day and did a 135.1 on the Dunlop 4 and the VO2 . The 4's I have run down till the dot was gone and done 35's and that is after it was flipped. The fronts I have run the 302 (4 Hard) and the 343 (3 softer) and can't fault either of them . I used the 343 in the colder months and not in summer.
Was that software AIM Nick. I might load mine up .

[Turbo]

PS: you need to clean up your AIM sectors ;) Duplicate the EC sector spots and youll get more accurate timing in AIM

Hahaha, I said the exact same thing!! :lol:

[Turbo]

Our watches are in sync.

So in the last session today, I was banging out 38.8s, feeling pretty good about my place in the world, and then Damo Cudlin shot past me and tucked in in front of me, looking over his shoulder with a 'follow me' look. I latched on, and in the one and only flying lap, dropped 1.5 SECONDS!!! and banged out a 37.3 (including stuffing up T9 and sorting ourselves out in T1). Fark me.

I thanked him profusely afterwards, and he just said 'did that help? You were looking good in some areas but I thought I could help you in a few other areas'.

Thanks Damo! Much appreciated mate :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvMPWK5XtQ

GREAT video and lap!! Must have been a blast to ride!
VERY racey lines Damo takes. No room left at all.
I always kinda assumed you had to be late apexing a lot to be going proper quick... :pop2:

[Marshy]

I have been running the Dunlop H886 (#4) . I ran them in the first round of FX and all year. It is the harder of the dunlops they bring to Oz. The one to be on is H998 (#2). They are the control tyre for ASBK and they didn't have enough to sell during the year although Simon Galloway has been on them.If you can't get the 2's and it is hot enough ( at least +30 track temp) the Yamaha boys tested the 133 soft and found them a close second to the 2's. I did a back to back one day and did a 135.1 on the Dunlop 4 and the VO2 . The 4's I have run down till the dot was gone and done 35's and that is after it was flipped. The fronts I have run the 302 (4 Hard) and the 343 (3 softer) and can't fault either of them . I used the 343 in the colder months and not in summer.
Was that software AIM Nick. I might load mine up .

Thanks mate; that's exactly what i needed. Dunlop said they didn't have any 886s, so the other day I just guessed and ordered 2 of the 998s (#2) and 2 of the 677s (#3), which arrived today. Thought I'd try them both and see. I really like the V02 rears, so it's just a test to see. I also think that I'm leaving the V02 rears on for too many days, as they don't fully wear out if you flip them regularly. And they just get gradually slower over time. If they wore out as quickly as, say, a Pirelli, they'd never get old enough to slow down ;)

[Mr.Ed]

Also, nice dark line out of 8!:thumb:

[Junior]

I need to do the same RE AIM sector spots, I really need to learn how to do analysis on it so I can see where I am faster.

[Ruckos87]

I need to do the same RE AIM sector spots, I really need to learn how to do analysis on it so I can see where I am faster.

So do I, actually I've never pluged mine into a pc


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[zoidberg]

So do I, actually I've never pluged mine into a pc


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I only own a mac, so I need to buy a pc. I guess then it goes from a lie detector to a useful tool to learn how to go faster with.

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[nigelnobody]

MA is clamping down on lap timers at ride days again
Expect to get checked family member on staff tells me yesterday.
ARDC days looking better by far now.

[Krackeye]

Very cool. Interesting to note that after the lap following you were 8/10 slower than the one following. Maybe just the red mist and determination of trying to keep with him. Overlaying your data with obviously show you where you made time. Great work!

[Marshy]

I was trying to catch my breath!! ;) And the rear tyre letting go had spooked me a bit.

[Binksy]

Mind letting us know what pressures you've been running with your V02's Nick? Everyone I talk to seem to run completely different pressures.

[Turbo]

I only own a mac, so I need to buy a pc. I guess then it goes from a lie detector to a useful tool to learn how to go faster with.

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I run the AIM software on the mac with a virtual machine, no problems.

[Turbo]

Mind letting us know what pressures you've been running with your VO2's Nick? Everyone I talk to seem to run completely different pressures.

I think it's largely that different bikes seem to like different things with the VO2's.
Marshy I belive is 25 or 26 on the Aprilia whereas I have ended up at 27-28 on the BMW.
Dave Moss wrote a good review on tuning tyre pressures and carcas temp, specifically on the VO2's and their wear...
http://feelthetrack.com/testing-program/tire-testing/bridgestone-v02-slick-test/

[Ruckos87]

I run,34f 23R (hot off warmers) on the vo2s / RSV4, seems pretty good for me atm,

hey Owen, I like that edited signature !!!

[stevem]

I ran the VO2 rear 24 hot off the warmers. The Dunlops I run 32 front, 19 rear off the warmers and can try 19-21 as in I would go harder rather than less.

[zooker]

Nice vid Marshy, awesome time. Makes a huge difference being able to follow (*chase) someone quicker. Had a similar thing last trackday, dropping almost 2 seconds by purely having another quick 600 as a target.

I'm saving that video just to re-watch Damien's riding and the accuracy of his lines. Just awesome :D

[Turbo]

hey Owen, I like that edited signature !!!

Hahaha, EAGLE-eyed!! There will be a bit of a build thread soon!! :)

[Marshy]

Mind letting us know what pressures you've been running with your V02's Nick? Everyone I talk to seem to run completely different pressures.

So I've experimented with rear pressures a LOT recently, and I find it all boils down to the temperature (track temp, ambient temp, and tyre temp after a run). As a guide, 23 works really well when it's cold, and I run up to 26 as it gets hotter. I feel the rear as soon as I come in, and if it's not hot enough I drop the pressure a little bit, and if it's too hot, bump up the pressure. At Broadford (Wakey is the same), I was running it even lower in the mornings to get the left side of the tyre to turn on. At the Creek the other day I was at 25.5 (warm track but cool/cold wind, especially earlier on).

I do the same now with the front. At PI in the cold, I couldn't get a soft Bridgestone to generate any heat at all, even with low pressures like 30, so switching back to the Dunlop and running it down at 30 hot and it was magic. Broadford was about 31-32 to get it properly turned on (morning/afternoon). At the Creek tho, I run them mostly at 34, unless it's really cold. The front generates heaps of heat there in most conditions.

[Binksy]

Thanks all i might have a bit more of a play with pressures :)

[Ruckos87]

So I've experimented with rear pressures a LOT recently, and I find it all boils down to the temperature (track temp, ambient temp, and tyre temp after a run). As a guide, 23 works really well when it's cold, and I run up to 26 as it gets hotter. I feel the rear as soon as I come in, and if it's not hot enough I drop the pressure a little bit, and if it's too hot, bump up the pressure. At Broadford (Wakey is the same), I was running it even lower in the mornings to get the left side of the tyre to turn on. At the Creek the other day I was at 25.5 (warm track but cool/cold wind, especially earlier on).

I do the same now with the front. At PI in the cold, I couldn't get a soft Bridgestone to generate any heat at all, even with low pressures like 30, so switching back to the Dunlop and running it down at 30 hot and it was magic. Broadford was about 31-32 to get it properly turned on (morning/afternoon). At the Creek tho, I run them mostly at 34, unless it's really cold. The front generates heaps of heat there in most conditions.

By feel the tyres? Are you just going for a hot Sticky feel? I know what cold tyres feel like but not hot?
I've just order a digital temp gauge so I can accurately record track, tyre temps ect, in an effort to document and improve. What's a good running temp (end of session say) for the VO2s


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[Marshy]

What's a good running temp (end of session say) for the VO2s

Somewhere between "that's not really very hot" and "oh fudge, that's hot!!"

I just feel it with my palm. The tyre is too hot when it's painful to touch. You quickly get the feel for whether it's too hot or too cold. I have no idea what temperature that equates to.... I have a gauge too but I never use it for tyre temp (probably should tho!).

[Ruckos87]

Somewhere between "that's not really very hot" and "oh fudge, that's hot!!"

I just feel it with my palm. The tyre is too hot when it's painful to touch. You quickly get the feel for whether it's too hot or too cold. I have no idea what temperature that equates to.... I have a gauge too but I never use it for tyre temp (probably should tho!).

Ahhh cool. Well play the "how hot is Marshy touching" game on the 25th and I'll let you know.


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[Marshy]

PS: you need to clean up your AIM sectors ;) Duplicate the EC sector spots and youll get more accurate timing in AIM

I've been running data and cleaning up stuff (and discovered that the theoretical best lap data came from one session of two laps, where it looked like the gps data was out of sync, and so not to be trusted), and I'm not sure that I'm comparing apples with apples. Kris, are you able to email me your map? So I can compare sectors properly?

[stevem]

I had a quick look at mine and noticed the gps data seemed out of wack. T1 mid corner it shows 179 where my speedo is showing 208. Checking the revs and gearing on gearing commander it seems the speedo is right.
If im honest I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to Aim software.

[Marshy]

I'm only a little better, Steve. Kris is an expert!

Sometimes my squiggles don't line up, even though I have 'loaded the map for the currently open tests', so they should be the same.

TBH, I don't really know either. The more time I spend, the more I doubt some of the data. Clearly it's my lack of understanding, rather than an inherent flaw in the device, but I'm not quite sure how to improve....


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[zoidberg]

By feel the tyres? Are you just going for a hot Sticky feel? I know what cold tyres feel like but not hot?
I've just order a digital temp gauge so I can accurately record track, tyre temps ect, in an effort to document and improve. What's a good running temp (end of session say) for the VO2s


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They are pretty important.

http://i.imgur.com/6orcWDM.jpg

[Jashdown]

They are pretty important.

http://i.imgur.com/6orcWDM.jpg

That's all I'd be using it for too!

[Carl-52]

Dunno what is going on with a V02 front soft at PI for you Nick. Mine was toasty running 33 psi off warmers and returning at 33psi after the session when we were there with St George in the middle of winter. Plenty of grip too, nice wear pattern etc.

[Marshy]

I know a lot of guys love them. Hell, I've recommended them to people! Dunno why it didn't work for me, or at ASBK/WSBK in Feb. Same at Broadford. Very odd.

Maybe I'm just soooo fast that the front wheel isn't on the ground very much?? :whistle: